I dont have the budget. So I agreed to do the interview. Penelope was out on the Strip with her camera crew, and she walked up to us and started interviewing us and then got our contact information. This is hard core. A subscription makes a thoughtful gift for both family and friends. See Roger Kimballs 1986 review in the New Criterion here. "It was pretty organic," she says. I cant go on Google and look at myself. Chris Holmes, the towering guitarist with W.A.S.P., was central to the films most memorable scene, in which he mugged, hammed, drank and swore his way through an interview while perched precariously on a lilo in a swimming pool, watched by his evidently bemused mother. The Decline DVD box set wont stop the countless black market VHS tapes floating around online, but for Spheeris, its a form of justice against her bootleggers. These books level their criticisms not only at the political left, but also at many of those ideas that go under the name of conservatism but are really only another form of political ideology. Director Penelope Spheeris began filming The Decline of Western Civilization, a documentary about LA's raucous punk community, in 1979. It was a terrible burden to have, to have everybody asking for all these years. She put us in the movie and it absolutely put us on the map. But I like that it's done. I cant go on YouTube and find out whats been stolen. "You can't equivocate on the stuation.". I had a music video company at that point, and I was working for the record companies doing videos for the Staple Singers, Funkadelic, Doobie Brothers and all kinds of old bands, but I learned how to shoot music from doing those music videos, way before MTV. Check them out. Like, we had a seven-foot-high drum riser with a girl dancing underneath it. I spotted troll sitting in front of a liquor store with a 32pack and pulled over and gave him a ride..i recognized him from the decline but was not completely sure since he was like 25years older and didnt want to ask..we ended up drinking with him all night then it became apparent that it really was him since people kept coming up to him and taking pictures and yelling out "the decline!" Were doing gigs, we recorded a live album last year, and played some shows in Germany and Switzerland. Murray added, "Sometimes, empathy isn't . "It's like, it's not bullshit . The new generation of "gutter punks" -- stumbling through a haze of gut-rock alcohol -- have no interest in street poetry, and they don't want to change the world. Brought up in her father's travelling carnival, Penelope Spheeris was the ideal person to turn the camera on the three-ring circus that was the 80s/90s Sunset Strip scene. In the third installment of Penelope Spheeris' "Decline" series, being young in a leather jacket isn't what it used to be. A couple of the Brat Pack actor kids were also friends, and that brought in other elements. After her revelatory look at the punk scene of LA, and her follow-up on "the metal years," Penelope Spheeris took another decade to complete a trilogy of documentary films with The Decline of Western Civilization: Part III, a "social commentary of the true punk aesthetic." Chronicling the gutter punk lifestyle of teenagers and young people . The cut- and-paste editing, harsh lighting and seat-of-the-pants production that made the first film's technique a perfect reflection of its content have been replaced by MTV-era aesthetics. At that point my answer was, DVD is dead, its too late.'. However, it never went into general release and was not available on VHS or DVD until the release in 2015 of a box set containing all three films on DVD and Blu-ray. If we told you wed have to kill you, Spheeris joked. Shellenberge agreed. All three are now available in on Blu-ray in a fantastic new package from Shout! She first got the idea for The Decline of Western Civilization . By K.E. We were filmed in a hot tub. Im not cryin about it, though, because the bottom line is I can still get on the stage, and when that first chord hits, man, Im alive again.. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Black radical activist Congresswoman from Houston has introduced a bill in the House that would criminalize thought crimes, and in particular it would criminalize sites like The Occidental Observer, but also the much more mainstream Tucker Carlson. at the Frida Cinema, 305 E. Fourth St., Santa Ana; thefridacinema.org. Part III arrives with additional interviews with the kids, some behind-the-scenes footage, and a longer version of the conversation with Red Hot Chili Peppers bass player Flea. Her experiences on The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II would bear fruit when she went on to direct blockbuster comedy Waynes World. I said, I gotta make a movie about this punk scene. My hair started getting longer, I wore leather pants, bracelets, eyeliner and all that, but I liked a good nights sleep and drinking orange juice at breakfast. And there were all these bodyguards around and I didnt know who they were with, and it turned out to be Malcolm Forbes [multimillionaire publisher of Forbes magazine]. youtu.be comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment Factory. But where are they now? I do wish where was a little more about Part III. The third film, The Decline of Western Civilization III (1998), chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers in the late 1990s. I was never happy in W.A.S.P. Starting decades ago, many people, especially in the universities, lost faith in the Western civilization narrative. Whether you have a nostalgic connection to the subjects, or just want to glimpse into a couple of under-examined subcultures, this is a set well worth adding to your collection. Sign up below to get the latest from Classic Rock, plus exclusive special offers, direct to your inbox! Decline III presents these kids sympathetically, and they are just that. Sign up for our Email Newsletters here. Ive never rode a motorcycle or done one single line of cocaine. But three decades later, Duke TV has shot a sequel pool interview (conducted by Holmes's wife, Sarah) with the now-sober, 58-year-old musician. Penelope Spheeris was a friend of friends, and we ended up shooting our section at The Cathouse. I carried London on even after Lizzie left. Then, just as Newlydeads was starting to take off, we got offered a new record deal for Faster. Home; About; Speakers; SPONSORS; View Recordings; Privacy Policy; what happened to spoon from decline of western civilization 3 The original Decline contains rare footage of the Germs live and Black Flag at their squat, the second finds Ozzy Osbourne making breakfast and Aerosmith living soberly and the third focuses on smaller bands of homeless punks who somehow manage to meet up for practice. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. In 2016, The Decline of Western Civilization was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Film Registry, being deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".[4][5]. Cause alot of people here had the answers to your questions. The Decline of Western Civilization: Directed by Penelope Spheeris. In the bonus features of the DVD, there is the extended story of what happened to the painter. We already had this thread, lemme see if I can find it and give it to you. The Metal Years includes in in depth interview with Spheeris, previously unseen footage and interviews, and a commentary with the director and Nadir DPriest, singer for the band London, who figure prominently in the film. The worst part about it was that they were making really bad copies, that my work looked like shit. One of the smaller ancient civilizations, Greece has exerted an influence out of proportion to its size on the development of Western civilization, largely due to the intellectual accomplishments of Greek philosophers, who laid the foundation for much of modern science and . I still talk to him a lot. Of all the bands to emerge from the Sunset Strip of the 80s, few had as many future superstars as London members of Guns N Roses and Cinderella passed through. But for now, the filmmaker is still reveling in the films she has made and how well they hold up now. But Ive been doin it a long time. The first film, The Decline of Western Civilization (1981), dealt with the punk rock scene during 1980-1981. Let's talk about this trend. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. This article about a music-related documentary film is a stub. For a lot of fans, the most exciting part of the Decline set is Part III, which documents homeless squatter-punks dealing with violence, addiction, and death. Roberts / November 7, 2016. Being a skateboarder, I was into punk and new wave, like 999, The Specials, Devo. The expression in the title is widely known, but the book that made it famous is little read today. Featuring interviews with established bands like Poison, as well as acts like Odin, Lizzy Borden, Faster Pussycat, and others struggling to break through and find mainstream success, The Metal Years is a portrait of excess. Now I cant wash a dish, cant button my shirt. I wouldnt have changed it for nothin in the world. Some days I cant get to rehearsals. The movie is about the Los Angeles punk rock scene and was directed by Penelope Spheeris. For a movie about the underground punk scene, the films nearly impossible-to-find status contributed to its cult appeal. Getty / The Atlantic. But in the end we went ahead with Anna in control. While his band, Tuff, never made it to the very top of the Sunset Strip food chain, Rachelles can-do attitude helped him weather the hard times of the 90s. Both are illegal. Im sure that movie did enhance our career. . 1912: The Republic of China - Fueled by western-educated revolutionary Sun Yat-Sen, the Xinhai . All rights reserved. The documentary earned Spheeris the opportunity to direct This is Spinal Tap, which she turned down because she didn't want to mock her beloved heavy metal.She chose to make Decline II: The . The Decline of Western Civilization comes across as much more authentic than many documentaries with similar aims. While the Los Angeles punk scene comes across gritty and raw, The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years, depicts a scene that is bloated, almost a caricature, and, in 1988, was only a few short years from imploding and collapsing in on itself. This has caused an intellectual crisis, and some Muslims saw new ideas from the West as a direct threat to Islamic identity. I dont know what I was thinkin. While it does try to touch on topics like sexism in the scene treatment of women is across the board horrendous the effects of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, and the prospect of not being successful, those are relatively minor asides that barely touch on their struggles. Its still active today. You just point a camera at him and off he goes. In 1918, Oswald Spengler published . There were certain things we had to manipulate. Now on the homecoming stretch of this summers promotional tour, which included theatrical screenings across the country, Spheeris, 69, is mostly relievedshe no longer has to revisit long-forgotten footage of her goofy outfits with these funky hairdos she saidbut shes also deeply apologetic to her fans. Here are three that help explain what is happening with our culture. Key Scene 2: Darby Crash and girlfriend Michelle laugh about finding the dead body of a house painter. Spheeris later credited the 1998 film with having a profound effect on her. International Man: The decline of Western Civilization is on a lot of people's minds. Her experiences on The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II would bear fruit when she went on to direct blockbuster comedy Wayne's World. I spent my own money on it and I couldnt get it released, you know, without a gun to my head to give up the rights to the other ones. It was the first, though, that is the most successful, and has the widest impact. So I quit my job and bought a one-way ticket for a hundred and nine dollars from Chicago to LA-X. As much as you can see their affection for Spheeris, theres always a distance; she is always the other. By the time Penelope interviewed us for Decline we were one of the hottest bands on the Strip. For a movie about the underground punk scene, the . With punk all the girls had looked like boys, but with metal the boys all looked like girls. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. by Leor Galil June 26, 2015. Most classicists believe that a combination of factors including Christianity, decadence, the metal lead in the water supply, monetary trouble, and military problems caused the Fall of Rome. "It's been a year of pure hell," filmmaker Penelope Spheeris says with a laugh. If you went out on the Strip on a Saturday night in those days to The Rainbow, The Roxy, Gazzaris, it was like a madhouse. Sign Up: Stay on top of the latest breaking film and TV news! The couple spoon and squid they had got into an argument because dude was cutting another girls hair she got jealous and stabbed squid with the scissors. We were pretty massive when we appeared in the Decline movie. [3] Decline III was also released separately via streaming video. But the tables have turned. Super nice guy. And that has kind of evolved into my current band, Spiders And Snakes, where weve really embraced our seventies roots. And because it was not my band, I really enjoyed being able to kick back a bit and be more carefree. As well as Armored Saint I also have my own band, DC4. mainman]? She goes: Well, he wants money. What happened in our Western world began 6,000 years ago in a gardena battle between two religions. When 19-year- old Spoon says this a half hour into "The Decline of Western Civilization, Part III," she isn't indulging in punk posturing. I cant play guitar any more, so now Im the singer. China lost the conflict, and the West imposed sanctions that permanently weakened Qing rule. I remember driving down Sunset Strip in my car, seeing all these strangely dressed people spilling out on to the sidewalk. For decades, there were only two ways to watch The Decline of Western Civilization: buy a bootleg or download it online. I said: Mom, I gotta do this interview. Well, she didnt have anything else to do so she just came along. '", Spheeris says that she's working on a fourth Decline film with her daughter, Anna Fox. Louder is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. I played in bands in Wisconsin, but then I saw a flyer for Tuff, with pictures of them all except for one empty square in the middle, where it said: Wanted Lead Singer/Frontman. Of course, hes still not as big as Robert Plant, but he hasnt killed himself yet. Now we tour at least three months out of every year. "I was always going out the clubs and seeing the punk bands," she says of how the first 1981 doc came about. I believe I was smokin hash with Dave Mustaine. The director, whose credits include Wayne's World and Black Sheep, has finally emerged from the depths of turning her celebrated three-part hardcore-punk and heavy-metal documentary series, The Decline of Western Civilization, into a comprehensive box set. The film involves gutter punks who take the anti-establishment message with extreme seriousness and tune out society completely. The music is fast, loud, smart and aggressive; the kids dress the same, albeit with a few more piercings; they still brawl with skinheads and get hassled by cops. Its cheaper to live in Vegas, and theres lots of work out here and a great club scene. The promotional poster for The Decline (and the record cover of the soundtrack album) featured a close-up frame of Germs singer Darby Crash supine on stage with his eyes closed. Its not the taste that turns me off, its what it does to you. We participated in all of that stuff that was going on. Depending on how drunk you were when you watched it for the first time, The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years is either an uproarious celebration of the 80s Sunset Strip scene in all its hedonistic glory or a fist-gnawingly embarrassing parade of idiots, bozos and no-hopers who didnt have the brains to tie their own shoelaces in the morning. Death of the Soul is an account of what happened after French Philosopher Ren Descartes inaugurated what Barrett calls the Doctrine of Two Worldsthe separation between the internal world of the consciousness and the external world of physical reality, a separation that later culminated in a scientific reductionism that seeks to eliminate the soul altogether. I remember lookin out and thinking: Who the fuck is this dude dancin in the middle of the floor? Of course, it was fuckin Axl. It is, instead, the most passionately engaged and compellingly depressing film in the series. Then, in the early nineties, I got this job, via my friend Bruce Kirkland who had a multimedia company called Second Vision. It was almost like I was on my deathbed and I was watching my life flash before me, she said of watching the old footage. Penelope Spheeris and her boyfriend, Eyeball Penelope Spheeris, creator of The Decline of Western Civilization series, is a veteran Hollywood filmmaker, a "den mother" and most importantly, a cheerleader for punk rock. A couple of years ago I moved out to Las Vegas. In fact, the Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates banned the film from screening in LA after its midnight premiere in 1981. The second consideration depicts its slow decline with the internal problems like slow economic growth, unemployment, stagnant population, government shortfall, deteriorating work ethic, crime, and . I knew it was going to be just soul-searching psychologically freaking out., Fox ultimately convinced her mom to do the soul-searching work by giving her an ultimatum. Filmmaker Penelope Spheeris looks back as her L.A. rock trilogy readies itself for a box-set reissue. But I noticed that Metal Edge was listing contact details for artists by email. Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, Musicians interviewed include Keith Morris (Black Flag, Circle Jerks) and Flea (Fear, Red Hot Chili Peppers). That one cost five-hundred thousand. Axl and Izzy were at our very first show. But I was also determined to get people like Dave Mustaine of Megadeth into the film, because those guys were different, kinda deeper than the others. Welcome to the streets, punk. In 1988 she followed the first Decline with a second installment, The Decline of Western Civilization, Part II . I know a lot of the rest of them have been dead for a long time. Brought up in her fathers travelling carnival, Penelope Spheeris was the ideal person to turn the camera on the three-ring circus that was the 80s/90s Sunset Strip scene. And in the letter I said: Mom, Im sure youve always wondered in the back of your mind if you brought us kids up right. Then I just wrote: After getting to fifty-five, Ive realised I had the best upbringing of anybody I know. I didnt want to do it because I knew it would be painful. Maher said part of the problem of losing civilization is you fail to make judgments. There was as much going on in the street as there was inside the clubs. The `Decline' of L.A. 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A punk named Stevie dies in a fire at a building where he's squatting; another, Squid, is killed, allegedly by his girlfriend, Spoon. Make sure to check out the Sidebar and FAQ, Press J to jump to the feed. The Decline of Western Civilization is a 1981 American documentary filmed through 1979 and 1980. In Part III, the answer is almost universally, Dead. After years of what she describes as paralyzing anxiety surrounding the films she considers her lifes most important work, Spheeris finally did something about that queasy feeling in her gut. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III: Directed by Penelope Spheeris. 1999-2021 PopMatters Media, Inc. All rights reserved. I found guys like Chris Holmes of W.A.S.P. And if the books themselves seem daunting, there are always great reviews of great books, which serve to give a sense of the author's point. By Penelope Spheeris hell, '' filmmaker Penelope Spheeris brought in other elements. ' review in the movie it! 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